I know that many of the stattos out there are just dying to play around with some full results from the team and all around competitions. Sadly, no judges breakdown. Well, here we are : the gymnastics results site has published them. Thank you!! You can find team results here and all around results here. See screen grabs below for ease of reference. And discuss, please!!
Let's not forget the qualification results:
Enjoy!
Let's not forget the qualification results:
Enjoy!
Gabby got 9.133 E-score on Bars !! in Tokoyo 8 months ago the best E-score she achieved is 8.466 in Qual with less D-score !! inscrutable improvement right? please if you have one example for a gymnast who improved his E-score with upgraded routine by 0.7 in 8 months on Bars then let me know !!!
ReplyDeleteon the other hand Komova achieved 9.033 in Qual in Tokoyo. then Komova should get 9.70 now ...
That's what a biased judges can do
you are comparing apples to oranges by using tokyo as a crutch and it appears many have been here. yes but Douglas's E score improved by .43 from team finals and Komova by .2. That's really quite close when you consider it so why the outcry that there was such a "huge" gap in the increase in Douglas's bars score? Plus, Gabby improved from her team finals performance by hitting her handstands better. Komova has the most beautiful form and highest degree of difficulty on the apparatus but she was still a few degrees short on several handstands. She just performs so well we miss it at times. Plus everyone seems to disregard the high execution marks Douglas earns AND deserves for her release moves that fly noticeably higher than any other gymnast. Compare to mens high bar and you will see the same results! But judges are critical and they have to be when comparing gymnasts that are nearly equally as talented in their sport.
DeleteSorry but you don't really make any sense here, except the usual american mantra... Komova improved because she was underscored in Qual. and team final ... and yes I should use Tokoyo as a crutch and a measure line as long as these scores have been given by international judges or you use your word as a crutch ... but otherwise you still didn't give one usable example for a gymnast who improved his E-score with upgraded routine by 0.7 in 8 months on Bars then let me know !!!
DeleteNo? So it doesn't make sense that a completely different panel of judges are in charge of providing the e score on bars here in London then the panel that sat at worlds? You're right, how dare they see something different and judge even a fraction differently in their view of the execution. Shame on them right? As far as comparing to the rate of improvement for other gymnasts...who in god knows. Offhand I could say there have been drastic improvements from event to event from gymnasts throughout history but knowing the exact scores and from one event to another would take a lunatic to remember. Not only would you need the scores of every gymnast performing at one event you would need them from every event for that 8 month period or so to be to calculate what the "norm" rate of improvement is compared to a gymnast who is considered to have drastically improved. Plus you would have to memorize the routines of every one of them to know whether the scores were justified or not, whether their were major errors or falls that effected lower scores or not. It's just ludicrous.
DeleteFor what it's worth I do feel Douglas was overscored on beam every night in London so far, most especially considering the amount of wobbles and lack of clean lines she's shown with all her leaps but it's just so silly how people are getting so vibrantly angry and are so self assured that Komova should have won without a shadow of a doubt. Sure she should have deserved a few extra tenths for bars or beam but definitely not for vault or floor. She's been highly scored for her vaults that have been in poor form so I guess the misguided scoring goes around and comes around now doesn't it?
PS it cracks me up how amusingly smart you feel you are. Maybe my basis for my assumptions is wrong who really knows but it's funny how every time someone critiques in an opposing way you all jump to conclusions about "American mantra". Pretty sure I never claimed to be American. And I was NOT rooting for Douglas to win by any means...or Komova really. Since worlds Douglas has just not been on my top list of favorites. I'm actually quite neutral to all the competitors this year and just feel that the judging should be just for ALL the gymnasts there were grossly underscored and overscored not just Komova.
First .. the judges may put a score differently but in reasonable range but what happened was unreasonable surge, so 0.5 is a huge gap between two judges' panel in Qual and team final and the AA final on the other hand !!
DeleteSecond .. it doesn't take a lunatic to remember it takes someone to do his homework and a little bit of research
Third .. for these extra tenths for bars and beam she could've won with these FEW TENTHS .. and about her vault Paseka did the same or even more mistake and got around that score
Fourth .. I do feel that I'm smart, do you mind? and about " I'm actually quite neutral " I may say this " neutralism is the virtue of biased people "
First .. the judges may put a score differently but in a reasonable range as theyāve THE SAME measures to evaluate every routine, so itās ā completely different panel of judges ā but with COMPLETELY THE SAME MESAURES AND ASSESSMENT TOOLS .. but what happened was unreasonable surge, so 0.5 is a huge gap ( it could take a months for a gymnast to improve his execution by 0.5 .. not in just TWO DAYS !! ) between two judges' panel in Qual and team final and the AA final on the other hand !! so Iām judging the judges by their OWN scores
DeleteSecond .. it doesn't take a lunatic to remember it takes someone to do his homework and a little bit of research
Third .. for these extra tenths for bars and beam she could've won with these FEW TENTHS .. and about her vault Paseka did the same or even more mistake and got around that score
Fourth .. I do feel that I'm smart, do you mind? and about " I'm actually quite neutral " I may say this " neutralism is the virtue of biased people "
I watched the competition live and I was particularly intrigued by Douglas' high score on beam. There is an element in her routine that resembles a switch ring leap, but she performs it with her back foot far away from her head, so she wasn't supposed to get full credit for it. Anyone can see it in the first pic here: http://www.reuters.com/london-olympics-2012/articles/gymnastics/2012/08/02/douglas-beats-komova-all-around-gold
ReplyDeleteShawn Johnson used to try a switch ring leap on floor and the judges were never hesitant to not reward it, as her technique wasn't perfect. Komova, on the other hand, performs every element with beautiful extension. Her sheep jump on beam is out of this world, way beyond the requirements of the code: her feet almost touch her forehead! Truly amazing.
I would really appreciate if anyone could break down Douglas' D-score on beam. What value did she get for the element I was referring to?
If that picture is as high as her switch ring got, and she was credited, then that is a joke.
DeleteI personally think the code currently focuses too much on whether you wobble on landing, and not enough on the form you show in the air.
No Sofia it's not a joke it's favoritism the judges thought that they should put Gabby in the same score level with Komova and throw the ball in the Floor field and it's judges in spite of doing the right thing
DeleteI think value of this element is " perfect because she is an american " LOL
ReplyDeleteYup. No matter what USA MUST win. I'm not surprised if they are overscored for the event finals.
DeleteThey will get overscored, don't worry by pro-american judges
Deleteit's said " if you are shameless then do whatever you want "
I think a better use of our time would be to constructively engage in discourse over the scoring considering the exact points where the scoring could have gone wrong instead of simply being childish and claiming the judges are engaged in some freakish alliance to boost team USA the whole time. I agree that overscoring (by perhaps 0.1-0.3) has occurred in the competition for BOTH the US and Russia on a couple occasions but we get nowhere going round about pointing fingers at the "scheming" that must have gone on in the judging. It satisfies no one.
DeleteIn Beijing the judges appreciated beautiful lines and Liukin won, with less difficult elements than her rivals. In London they adopted another approach, as the beautiful lines were incarnated by a Russian - Komova, who is cleaner than Nastia Liukin and displays better technique. What a shame!
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