There is a great interview at the VTB website with Alexander Alexandrov. The Russian WAG head coach discusses the Olympics, the pros and cons of his team's performances, and some of the differences between working in Russia and the States.
Just look and see what he says about Grishina's training arrangements!!
I'm expecting a formal announcement some time soon about the coaching staff at Lake Krugloye. I simply hope that they can find an arrangement that makes the best use of the coaching talent in Russia and gives the head coach the right level of authority. And, as far as I am concerned : who else in Russia could possibly replace the inimitable Alexandrov? Mustafina and the team need him! The Russian team also needs to consider succession planning as Alexandrov, Rodionenko and the like cannot go on forever.
Now read on ...
Just look and see what he says about Grishina's training arrangements!!
I'm expecting a formal announcement some time soon about the coaching staff at Lake Krugloye. I simply hope that they can find an arrangement that makes the best use of the coaching talent in Russia and gives the head coach the right level of authority. And, as far as I am concerned : who else in Russia could possibly replace the inimitable Alexandrov? Mustafina and the team need him! The Russian team also needs to consider succession planning as Alexandrov, Rodionenko and the like cannot go on forever.
Now read on ...
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Alexander Alexandrov. Picture courtesy of the RGF |
Alexander Alexandrov, head coach of the Russian womenās team:
āThe experts should gather
and think. Perhaps, difficulty shouldnāt be increasedā
September
17th 2012
An open
class at āMikhail Voroninā Dynamo club was honored with the presence of a man,
whose knowledge and experience were a determinant of the teamās success in
London. It was impossible not to seize the opportunity of having a final
interview with the master. A good introduction to the interview was the comment
of one of the coaches who went to Alexander Alexandrovich to thank him for an
interesting idea.
ā
- You
have been working for a long time in the States and then two years ago you
wrote a long article on childrenās education in America and here. I remember
one sentence: try to pay 5 more minutes to one child than to the other.
ā Our
system is slightly different, ā answered Alexander Alexandrov. ā In the States
sport is above all business. Business is business. You donāt have the right to
pay more attention to someone. Here we are paid by the State and, even if the
coach doesnāt want to, he realizes who has potential and he begins to devote more
efforts and expertise. A gifted child stands out and reaches better results than
the others.
This short
dialogue reminded us that the Russian teamās success is strongly related to the
fact that the Russian Federation, with its general sponsor VTB, hired Russian
specialists, including Alexander Alexandrov, for the preparation of our team.
ā Šlexander Alexandrovich, could you please assess the teamās performance at the London
Olympics, and each one of the athletes.
ā OK. Letās
start with Mustafina. I think that she performed very well, taking into account
her injury and everything related to that. We can give her an excellent score.
ā Šliyaās strong
will amazed everyone. She was the only gymnast on the team who displayed
confidence, even in front of the Americans.
ā Aliya
loves to perform and is able to perform. She was looking good when she became
world champion in 2010. Before London we had no time to bring back everything
that Mustafina performed before her injury. We limited ourselves to what she
could do. I think that her bronze medal in the AA is a very good result. Her
four medals, including gold on bars, are a huge success.
ā We talked
to Maria Abakumova, world champion in javelin throwing, who didnāt perform well
at the London Olympics. She said that the most difficult athletes are those who
can do everything in training, but who canāt in competition. Is Mustafina the
opposite example?
ā No, she
is not. Šliya trains pretty well. Todayās gymnastics is so complex that, if you
donāt do a specific load of work in training, itās impossible to perform well. For
instance, when she had to perform at the European Championships before the
Olympics, Šliya was not ready; she didnāt perform well after a long break. She said:
āI felt like I was competing for the first timeā. She made mistakes on bars and
floor. If you donāt do a specific volume in training, your natural skills as a
competitor donāt work.
ā Yet, strong
will plays an important part. After the European Championships, the press began
to bury Mustafina. It was difficult to cope with that.
ā Šliya won the
Russian championship this year, by the way. They said that she got help from
the judges, but nobody helped her, she won cleanly.
ā Coming
back to the Olympics, Mustafina probably is the only one who performed at the highest
level and won the most medals?
ā I think
that her performance was very successful. She used all her potential.
ā Letās
turn to Vika Komova.
ā Komova
has one problem: she grew very quickly. When this happens, the technique has to
change. Her physical state is not very good and she had small foot injuries, ā all
this is very demanding. Yet, Vika trained courageously and did everything possible
to upgrade her routines to catch the Americans. She did it; she overcame the
Americans with her difficulty. But she lacked time to be more confident. Komova
brought back her Amanar vault, the most difficult vault currently. When she
performed, you could feel she hadnāt polished everything and she made a mistake
on the AA vault. To perform simpler combinations would have meant to give up
the fight for gold against the Americans.
ā Does it
mean that giving her too difficult a programme was not a mistake?
ā You see,
we considered all those aspects. Vika upgraded her routines on all events. You
can expect mistakes when something is fragile. This was the reason. Vika knows
how to perform. She upgraded the routines just before the beginning of the
Olympics. Nobody thought she should
leave out anything. For instance, on beam she could have dismounted with a
simple double tuck, but she performed a double front. Itās much more difficult,
but we chose this variable. The first day she beat the Americans in the
qualifying competition.
ā In one magazine, there was a striking title: to compare Viktoria Komova and the
Americans is like comparing the Marinsky ballet and a disco.
ā I
wouldnāt say so. There are different styles in gymnastics. China and Russia go
for plastic gymnastics and we strive for beauty everywhere. We have the potential
for this as we have choreographers working at our childrenās sport schools. When
you pay attention to this aspect during childhood, the athletes look better, and
the choreography training is better. The Americans lack this.
ā Donāt
they have a choreographer?
ā No. The
childrenās clubs donāt have choreographers. They count their money and usually
couples work in clubs - a man and a woman. Traditionally, the man works bars
and vault and the woman ā beam and floor. They donāt have time to teach
choreography, they do it superficially. When the athletes make the national
team, they try to make their movements more beautiful, but at that stage itās
too late to change something dramatically. They know this very well and two
years ago, Marta Karolyi, US head coach, bet on athleticism and complexity of the
routines. Everyone is looking for a way and we cannot say that Komova and
Douglas are opposites. Yes, Komova is prettier for the way she performs and other
Russian gymnasts differ from the Americans. Yet the Americans use what the US
gymnastics structure allows them to use. We want to see lightness and beauty on
floor. Still, Raisman, with rather poor choreography, performed such
acrobatics that she had a very high D score and won gold.
ā Yuri
Titov, former Olympic champion, said that eight years ago the acrobatics in
womenās gymnastics was more complex.
- Everything
depends on the Code of Points that changes every four years. At the Barcelona 1992
Olympics, our girls performed a double lay-out with a twist. All the acrobatics
runs were backwards. Now the gymnasts cannot do this because they have to
perform four tumbling runs and some specific combinations that sometimes are
dangerous and can even cause injuries. I donāt understand why the FIG is going
in this direction so stubbornly. Why do we need certain combinations in order
to get bonuses? Before, we tried to perform a very difficult element
ā round-off, back handspring, full twist; now we have to perform combinations. Therefore, itās less spectacular, it looks
quite simple, but the combinations get bonus, this is why itās necessary to
include them.
ā I read a
curious article by a British enthusiast of gymnastics. The articleās title is: āWho
really won the Olympicsā. She publishes a whole report of the judgesā scores at
the London Olympics. Based on the reference judgesā scores, Komova finished in
first place.
ā Some
judges supervise competitions. They donāt have the right to interfere, but
after the competitions they write reports and can express their opinion. Gymnastics
is a subjective sport, someone likes something, another one doesnāt. For this
reason, itās very difficult to state something. I repeat once again: of course,
I prefer Komova, but there are deductions that are applied. On the first event,
the vault, she gave ground and the judges decided to keep her in second place. If
she hadnāt given ground, who knows, she could have won. Probably she would have
won! There are a lot of judges from Latin America, who depend on the Americans,
because all the gymnastics competitions take place in the US. They study in the
US and of course they will help the Americans. Only a little, but
still they help them. Even if they donāt help them, they are not going to
be harsh on them.
ā We wanted
Masha Paseka to perform the Amanar vault and we knew that she could not help us
anywhere else. We took her into the team and she fulfilled the expectations. Paseka
came back with a medal, which was very pleasant and a great success.
ā I want to
ask a question about the American gymnast who fell on vault, but still won
silver.
ā You know,
itās all about psychology. Maroney was so much stronger than the rest on vault
that no one could beat her and nobody thought she could make a mistake. Furthermore,
according to the rules, she didnāt sit on the floor. She was deducted one point,
thatās all.
ā Is nobody
guilty in those decisions?
ā I donāt
think so. If we analyze this in depth, of course itās possible to find errors. Any
fall is due to something. Height might not have been sufficient; the rotation
might not have been complete. But it was all psychological; the judges were
stunned because they could have given her the gold medal with no competition. I
donāt understand what was wrong with ŠŠ°roney. She did everything in
training and in warm-up.
ā Letās now
talk about Ksenia Afanasyeva.
ā Overall
Ksenia performed well. She was hindered by a foot injury that she sustained in
the finals of the Russian championships. At the beginning, we thought that it
was not serious as she even finished her routine. In a week, it would be over
and everything would be normal. Unfortunately, the recovery was very long and
Ksenia started to train at full strength a month before the Olympics. Last
year, when Ksenia competed much better in the AA and on floor, she trained a
lot more. This time, she trained for one month. But at the same time Ksenia
made two finals, this is also a success. Of course, after last yearās World Championships, when she became floor world champion, everyone hoped she would
perform better on this event. Talking about her fall, she said: āBefore the
last run, I usually take a breath, but this time I rushed myself, found myself with no airā. We
wanted Afanasyeva to win a medal in floor, but it was not possible. Still, she
helped the team.
ā
- Nastia
Grishinaā¦
ā Our
expectations for Nastia did not fulfill. Two years, or even four years, ago we
thought that Grishina, Komova and Mustafina would be the main gymnasts on the
team, able to fight for gold with the American team. Unfortunately, this was
not so, and I think that this was her personal coachās fault. He was responsible
for Grishinaās preparation for four years. He thought that he could train
Nastia better, but unfortunately this did not happen.
ā Is it
true that at the Olympics Nastia Grishina refused to perform on beam?
ā When
Grishina competed, she didnāt perform like the other girls. She made mistakes
here and there. Naturally, she began to lose confidence. According to our plan,
she was to compete on beam at the team final, but she asked: āDonāt put me inā.
She feared to let the team down.
ā Was there
no alternative to Grishina?
ā Who could
make the team instead of Nastia Grishina? We didnāt think of it, taking all her
potential into account. Four years ago we thought that this ātroikaā could
fight for the medals, but you see what happened. Mustafina was injured, Komova
grew taller and, according to me, Grishina didnāt train well. I want to say
that itās not her fault, but her personal coachās. The thing is that we didnāt
manage this situation very well.
ā Komovaās
situation is a shame. Itās perhaps worth increasing the age to 18 in gymnastics
in order to decrease the psychological load and the risk of injuries. Children are
performing at the Olympics!
ā They are
not children. They are already 16! They look like children because gymnastics
is a sport where weight is very important. The more an athlete weighs, the more
difficult it becomes to work. Currently, the age limit to compete in adult
competitions is 16. At this age, girls tend to grow very fast. Nobody knows
what will happen when the gymnast is 18. They gain weight and the majority of
them then cannot do what they could when they were 14.
ā It means
that an athlete can train during his or her childhood and when turning 18, doesnāt
have the chance to perform at the highest level?
ā Yes. American
Shawn Johnson started to grow before the Olympics. Six months later, she
wouldnāt have made the team, although she was world champion. The experts
should gather and think. Perhaps difficulty in gymnastics shouldnāt be
increased. There are plenty of different approaches. It all depends on the CoP.
ā Currently
do you know how the CoP will change for the next quad?
ā The CoP
will slightly change, but all in all it remains the same. The priority will be
strength gymnastics. We should gather and think seriously, not only us, the FIG
should collect data and reach a common approach.
ā What are
the expectations for this team?
ā The
womenās team changes more often because when the girls are 18, they gain
weight for two to three years and they quit. The men had a generation shift just before the
Olympics and theyāll all train for one more quad. This wonāt happen to the
girls. From the previous Olympics only Afanasyeva remained, and only because
she is light.
Š¢ŠµxŃ: Leonid Sitnik, Irina Belozerova
Photos: RIA
Novosti. Russian Gymnastics Federation
Great interview! Thanks for posting and translating.
ReplyDeleteI always love how frank the Russian's are, they don't try to mince their words at all.
I really liked how he spoke about all the girls. Poor Grishina, I also blame the coach and hope that they can work things out. Is she with the other girls in Spain? If not, again she isn't with the group, maybe taking a rest.
For all the injuries that these girls had right before the Olympics, they did really well.
He is right about the COP and concentrating on strength. I guess when someone gets extremely hurt is when they will change it (rolleyes).
Please stay with these girls Alexandrov ... you've assembled a real Artistic Gymnastics' Russian team
ReplyDeleteThat was a nice read from Alexandrov. I like that he definitely doesn't mince his words and a lot of what he said was fair and interesting.
ReplyDeleteThat said, his comment about the South American judges is completely incorrect. The FIG's documents show the nationality and scores that each judge gave out and not only are there just as many judges from countries around Russia, but the scores the South American judges gave were all pretty much the same as the European judges.
I disagree with you ... for instance (in page 140 UB Qual.) you can easily find that E5 (from Chile) was underscoring the Russian gymnasts, she gave Komova the lowest score among the whole panel 8.5 and did the same to Mustafina 8.3 and finally Grishina she felt sorry for her and gave her the second lowest score with 7.4 ā¦ is that coincidence??
DeleteOn other hand she overscored the Americans with the same tactic for instance She gave Douglas the highest score among the panel 9.1, and did the same to Ross with 8.7 and second highest score to Raisman 8.5
is that coincidence??
And just as often I saw the Kazakhstan, Belarus, Ukraine, and Russian judges over-score the Russian gymnasts, while either underscoring or staying neutral on the American gymnasts.
DeleteYes they overscored the Russian gymnasts but THEY DID NOT UNDERSCORE the American gymnasts like the pro-American judges did, they stayed neutral on the Americans and if you have one usable example of that systematic overscoring /underscoring like the one I have mentioned above I'll be grateful ...
DeleteSo for me the pro-Russian gymnasts were biased judges, but pro-American were mean judges, and in general it makes the results unreliable and the judging was a total fiasco.
I was only referring to the final AA scores which is what Alexandrov was talking about. 4 of the 20 judges were from South America; 2 scored Gabby lower/equal to the other judges and 1 was 0.1 higher. The only judge that showed clear bias was the Puerto Rican judge who gave Gabby a laughable 9.4 on bars. But then there was a Russian judge who gave Komova a 9.4 on beam which was even more laughable.
DeleteI agree that Raisman's E scores were all a complete joke (thank God Musty won), but the Gabby vs Komova scores? No. Had Komova hit all 4, she would've won. But she didn't and people need to deal with that.
First I think that Alexandrov was talking about Latin judges during the whole competition not AA final because it's a logical that if there's a biased judge, he will be biased in event and will be neutral in another event ...
DeleteSecond you should concentrate on how these biased judges dealt with their favorites' rivals and I can assume that pro-russians didn't underscore the Americans unlike the pro-ameicans who worked both ways
Third I can't understand that while you have admitted overscoring here and there, you ask people to deal with it? I mean overscoring makes the whole results unreliable because you can't assume that overscoring happened in the same degree ... so if you can deal with that so it's fine for me but don't ask "people" how to deal with it
I have found one example of a Kazakhstan judge underscoring the Americans.
DeleteIn the women's team final, on vault, the ER1 judge from Kazakhstan underscored (compared to the lowest score from the 5 panel Jury) Maroney by .1, Douglas by .1 and Wieber by .3
This judge did not favor the Russians by too much, only matching the highest scores from the 5 panel Jury for Komova and Paseka.
1. The judge youāre referring to is an Execution reference judge and her score didnāt apply on any cases youāve mentioned.
Delete2. I think you donāt ask the judges to stamp the same score for every gymnast, there must be differences among them BUT in reasonable/acceptable limit, so tenth is a reasonable. But if youāve looked to the example that I have stated, the discrepancy was three tenth up to seven!!
So if you looked that way then you will find that KAZ judge didnāt underscore the American, as many judges already in the E-Panel gave her THE SAME score, and she certainly didnāt overscore the Russians as she gave Mustafina the lowest score, and gave Komova as much as two judges in E-Panel, and Paseka got the same score from one judge in the E-Panel score. (Bear in mind that the highest and lowest scores are counted out)
3. Bias as I see when you try to favor someone but when you in the same time try to undervalue you favoriteās rival, it makes you not only biased but you are mean person... so the pro-Russian judges were biased, but pro-American judges were mean ā¦
I realize the judge in question was a reference judge so those scores did not apply (there was no asteric next to any American or Russian gymnasts so the reference judges scores were never applied), but I was looking for a specific example as you requested which demonstrated as you asked (quoted from you above, "Yes they overscored the Russian gymnasts but THEY DID NOT UNDERSCORE the American gymnasts like the pro-American judges did").
DeleteI was just looking for an example of a pro-Russian judge doing exactly that.
Alexander Alexandrov reminds me Evgeny Belov, who trained TomĆ”s GonzĆ”lez here in Chile ten years ago since he was 9 years old. Evgeny even if he was very confident on TomĆ”sĀ“s natural talent, he was really tough with him. But the most important things he gave to TomĆ”s were strong psychological tools and infinite love, just like if he was his grandpa. I feel like Alexandrov represents the same for Mustafina, something that maybe Grishina would need if she continues on gymnastics.
ReplyDeleteEven if IĀ“m far from Russia and I can only keep up with "rewriting russian gymnastics" by internet, Grishina seemed to me the little wonder-gymnast but one without the maturity at the same level... maybe she needs having more fun, more friends, more team spirit...
Thank you so much Elizabeth for your wonderful work!