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Who will travel to Berne? A Russian mystery

Aliya Mustafina and team candidate Seda Tutkhalyan - both from Moscow
Five days left before the MAG European Championships open in Switzerland, and Russian gymnast Nikita Nagorny is posting videos of himself practicing a full twisting Roche vault - I wonder if he will compete it in Berne?  The men's team seems fairly well prepared and ready to travel as announced some weeks ago - Kuksenkov, Belyavski, Ignatyev, Nagorny, Ablyazin.  But the composition of the women's team, who will travel to their first major competition of 2016 next week, seems somewhat undecided.  Will Natalia Kapitonova make her major senior debut in June, or will Seda Tutkhalyan, her dynamic yet unpredictable rival, grace Russia's team?  Or will other gymnasts be brought into play; will further, unexpected, changes be made?

If head coach Valentina Rodionenko's recent announcement is to be believed, it is a simple case of replacing the injured Maria Paseka (a vault specialist) with Natalia Kapitonova (a strong bars worker who can also contribute on floor).  The basis of this decision, Rodionenko contends, is Kapitonova's strong performance at Russian nationals, where she placed 6th all around, 4th on bars and 5th on floor.

When one considers that Kapitonova's closest rival for a place on the team, Seda Tutkhalyan, secured  a gold on vault and silver all around at the same competition, it seems that the selection might not have been made on a purely straightforward basis according to the results.  Yes, Kapitonova has more predictable results.  This young girl from Penza is very stable and suffers few competition jitters.  On the other hand Tutkhalyan suffered a significant breakdown in event finals at nationals, to finish in last place on two of her best events, beam and floor.

At the same time, there is less risk in Kapitonova's routines - and less risk equals not only less potential, but also less pressure to force those errors.  Furthermore, Tutkhalyan's best moments come during team competition.  Look back to her amazing performance on beam in the European Games last year.  And since then, remember, Seda has added difficulty here (a full twisting double back pike dismount) and improved her uneven bars.  Her floor and vault are both better than they were.  Since coach Sergei Zelikson's appointment as tumbling coach at the national training centre, all of the Russian girls are landing their tumbles with more confidence, Seda as much as any, and her hard work and results add up to a significant scoring potential.

So I suppose it is fairly clear, I support Seda for a place on the Europeans team.  When you think of excitement and fury, when you remember Russia's tradition of innovation and risk, think of Tutkhalyan, because she has the potential to be one of Russia's strongest team players.  Alongside the brilliant Angelina Melnikova, she once again lights up Russia's ambitions in gymnastics.  Led by veteran fighter Aliya Mustafina, this team could look to be the type that is prepared to do battle.  Those who do not risk, cannot win.

But for the national coaches, any decision of who will make a team is far from straightforward.  They have to take into account the expectations of the Russian Ministry of Sport and the Russian Olympic Committee, who are increasingly looking to gymnastics to fill the reputation gap left by recent doping scandals in many of their leading sports.  This may well lead a preference for the more reliable gymnast, the one who enables the head coaches to predict results with greater accuracy.  This is important when predictions shape expectations and when failed expectations might disappoint powerful people.  There is also the need to balance the political scales internally as the various coaches and clubs of the gymnasts fight it out to see 'their' gymnast included on the team.

Aliya Mustafina comes from the CSKA club in Moscow.  Her personal trainer, Sergei Starkin, comes from the Burtasy Club in Penza.
Natalia Kapitonova trains at the same club in Penza where one of her personal coaches is Galina Starkina.
Seda Tutkhalyan and Daria Spiridonova both train at the same club in Moscow - Sambo.  Tutkhalyan's personal coach is Marina Ulyankina, Spiridonova is looked after by Tatiana Fomkina.
Ksenia Afanasyeva hails from Tula where she is trained by Marina Nazarova
Angelina Melnikova comes from Viktoria Komova's home club in Voronezh where she is coached by Sergei Denisovich

The relative pros and cons of each of these gymnasts are self evident to those of us who follow Russian gymnastics closely.  There are very fine judgements to be made, and only the coaches really know who is doing best.  The final decision will always be made at the last minute to exploit the possibilities of temporary changes in form; competition results are often only an indicator or a rough guide of who will make a team.

It is also true to say that in any situation working relationships and political dynamics will make a difference.  Personal coaches and clubs stand to gain from their gymnasts' performance on the national team, so it is worth their engaging in a degree of lobbying when team decisions are being made, and the relative power of the teams will at least partly determine who makes the final cut.  After all the brouhaha surrounding her coaching arrangements, I find it interesting that Mustafina is 'owned' not only by the long-standing and powerful CSKA (Central Army), but also by the rising stars of Russian gymnastics, the Burtasy Club in Penza.   Burtasy is not only strong on a sporting level, it also stands up well as an example of good management.  Head coach there, Valery Starkin (Sergei's father) has been elevated to a national training position on the Russian junior team, and his club has been commended and received  financial awards from the Russian Ministry of Sport to pay for improved equipment and the like.  Kapitonova's membership of the same team cannot count against her.

The Sambo club from Moscow is incredibly well represented on the national team (for example, Paseka is another one of their gymnasts) and their coaching team is very strong.  Marina Ulyankina, of course, will be remembered as supporting the Rodionenkos post London Olympics during their reshuffle of the Russian coaching team that left (CSKA baby) Alexander Alexandrov out in the cold, effectively demoted from his position as head coach of WAG.  Tatiana Fomkina has a long pedigree of top class gymnasts including the graceful Elena Anoshina.

It's natural that Moscow dominates the Russian WAG scene as for many years, during the post-Soviet era when sports funding was cut to a whisper, Moscow's local government was the only body paying much attention to gymnastics or giving it any money at all.  However, with competition for places so tight, and one other Muscovite already a 'lock', it is plain that taking two gymnasts from the same team may smack of favouritism.  Perhaps the Rodionenkos won't care about this; on the other hand they may wish to support the bubbling Penza club, and give Kapitonova a chance.

What decision will the Rodionenkos take?  Who, besides the core of Mustafina, Afanasyeva and Melnikova will travel to Berne?  The final decision is on a knife edge and will most likely be taken from between Tutkhalyan, Spiridonova and Kapitonova.  But will sport be the only consideration?






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  1. Correct it QE " their first major competition of 2015" but need to be " their first major competition of 201_6" ;)

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  2. On VK it has been mooted that Seda won yesterday's test at Round Lake. I am waiting for an announcement, although announcements aren't much to write home about any more. It is said that Seda has replaced Kapitonova.
    But my advice as ever is, wait and see who marches out. This remains true of all the teams.
    Sadly, I hear that Britain's Max Whitlock is out with a virus infection.
    Let's hope all injured gymnasts get better soon, and well!

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    1. I prefer Seda. As Arkaeyv says, "no risks, no gain"!

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  3. I personally find Seda exciting but unreliable, although I love her gymnastics and I haven’t put it into statistics I feel she falls more than hits.
    Russian team choices historically have been very unforgiving, my all-time favourites Dementieva, Grishina and Pavlova were all unable to come back to favour after a fall from grace. Dementieva and Pavlova often had good results at Russian Cups that didn’t mean they got selected to assignments.

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  4. I agree with what you say, but just a question on your views about the politics. If it would be politically tricky to have two Moscow gymnasts on this team, wouldn't the 2012 team have been even more controversial? 3 out of 5 of the London team were from Moscow and they in fact all started as CSKA! I am very glad that more talented gymnasts from other regions seem to be appearing on the national teams, esp the juniors, and from previously unknown areas artistic gymnastics wise. I just wonder the extent to which politics is going to play a role in deciding - is it only at the edges of a team selection, if the factors for/against are very finely balanced, or does it go to the heart of the team selection? In this way Russia is not so different from China, where commentators think the presently named team composition is partly due to politics between the rich provincial teams, explaining why Liu Tingting is provisionally named to the team rather than Tan Jiaxin.

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    1. I don't know the degree to which politics influences selection. It is just human nature really - I think that if you took a close view of sport almost everywhere there would be a similar dynamic. Arguable, Dementyeva's dismissal from training in 2012 was a political decision, and you can't disguise the politics that were involved in Alexandrov's dismissal. Or the shenanigans that went on prior to Starkin's appointment as Mustafina's coach. At the same time, it is a process of joining the dots, and perhaps if you do so in a different way you will see the picture differently.

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    2. I would love to know more details on Dementieva's dismissal, I remember reading she was simply asked to leave, was it a competition or training camp, and from then she retired.
      I know Pavlova's boycott was Alexandrov's related since her mother sided with him.

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    3. Read Alexandrov's account of Dementyeva's dismissal here - http://rewritingrussiangymnastics.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/alexander-alexandrov-in-his-own-words-2.html
      He basically says that Valentina took against her. With Dementyeva instead of Grishina, he contends, they could have won the team event in London.
      I am going to make myself unpopular by saying that I thought that Pavlova's exclusion from the team was right. She had made a number of serious mistakes at exactly the wrong moments, despite her experience. What was decisive was her knee injury, which could not withstand the rigours of training as required at the national training centre. I appreciate that she could have contributed to vault and floor in some comps, but this is easy to say with hindsight.
      I wasn't aware, or had forgotten, that Alexandrov had been involved with this, though - what was your source?

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    4. I've always gotten the impression that Pavlova was an issue that Rodionenko and Alexandrov agreed on, especially after her injury. She'd thrown away so many chances and physically couldn't contribute any better than younger athletes taken in her place. Regardless of whose decision it was to exclude her, Alexandrov never seemed to be bothered by it. I think it's very different from the situation with Dementyeva, where he has made it clear several times that he feels her dismissal from Olympic consideration was a mistake.

      Queen E, maybe you remember, did any details ever come out about on Dementyeva's retirement in 2013? She was included on the A-list team that went to the Universiade but then retired rather abruptly afterwards. Though I think her retirement was overshadowed by the drama with Grishina that occurred around the same time. Was it her decision or was she forced out by Valentina, have we ever found out?

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    5. I'm really not sure about that - the only source might be an interview with Dementyeva - has anyone seen one?
      My guess is that after missing 2012 Anna saw that it would be difficult to continue. The Universiade is often an opportunity for veterans to bow out gracefully.
      I think Anna was a tough competitor though - a pity her career was curtailed before the Olympics. Also imagine what might have happened had Grishina not been subjected to the stress and disappointment of that Olympics. Well, you can't say for sure.
      Both Anna and Anastasia are now happily married, and Anna has a young baby to care for.

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    6. At the Universiade beam finals Anna felt a strong pain during her routine and fell. SHe was not encouraged to continue. And remember that her vault was very weak so it was difficult to continue her career.

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    7. Here is a video of the EF. Such a pity Anna fell as she was clearly the best routine.
      She looks a little peaky - perhaps she had caught Aliya's flu. https://youtu.be/SJvURD6y2oI

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    8. Queen E, in russian VK groop not long ago was an Anna D interwiev taken by Veronika, if i remember correktly the mayn point of retarment was back injury, and iven an operation on Dementyeva back(((

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    9. The story of Anna, the Alexandrov has no relation to it as the main reason was that the Pavlova said after the team finals in Beijing in the locker room. This was due to the fact that Rodionenkos has deleted her from all the team lists for year

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    10. Re Anna P - Anonymous, what on earth did she say? Please tell all ... :-)

      Re Anna D and the interview with Veronika - thank you for reminding me. So Anna's retirement was health related - very sad.

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    11. Omg I really wanna know what happened with Pavs too.
      By 2010 there was a guy that had some connections to the Russian team (Alan Owen, if someone heard anything about him) and it seems like coaches had problems with him being in contact with gymnasts (Pavlova included)
      He (if I remember correctly) went all the way to Russia to have interviews with them and the access was denied, he then switched to Ukraine's gymnasts!
      I'm mentioning this because I remember there was a lot of drama going on with the rodionenkos and I think it might be related to Pavlova's dismissal from the team, she kept in contact with him ( I saw it on VK haha)

      I think Pavlova made a lot of mistakes and of course, having the injury was the perfect excuse to just remove her from the Russian team, however I think it was unfair that she wasn't even in the reserve list!
      Yeah, her gymnastics went downhill (by 2010 she was actually looking really good on beam and vault) but I think she could have contributed on vault and beam at the international level, she seven said that she could have prepared an amanar for the Olympics if she had been asked to join the team...
      I'm sure it was not only her bad performances, but also something political...

      Agh Pavlova, so much talent wasted.

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    12. >I wasn't aware, or had forgotten, that Alexandrov had been involved with this, though - what was your source?
      Hi Queen E.
      Btw congrats on the mention on THENEWYORKER
      I couldn't find the source, it was a reply to a comment on a youtube video but couldn't find it, possibly it wasn't a Pavs video just one where her name came up.
      But I remember it was when she started competing for AZE and she mentioned she wasn't getting assignments with the Russian team despite having good results at Russian Cup so she decided to retire and then exactly she got the offer to go to AZE with Inshina and Valentina gave them permission "straight away" and mentioned how Inshina was overweight (I personally dislike everything about Valentina R.).
      The comment said her "boycott" was political because her mother and Alexandrov are old friends, and by Alexandrov gate the russian sea was divided in 2, Afanasyeva's coach sided against Alexandrov

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    13. It's very interesting - thanks for the explanation. So difficult thought to sift the facts from gossip or an individual's interpretation of things read, heard or assumed ...
      I'm coming round to Valentina, believe it or not! I think she just says what she thinks too quickly. And she shouldn't be head coach considering she has never coached a day in her life! I guess Andrei needs her for support - trusted allies are hard to find in the competitive world of gymnastics in Russia. Well, at least, there have to be two sides to her behaviour so I'd like to give her some benefit of the doubt - she has been maligned and I feel a bit bad that it might have started here!

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  5. One i can tell for sure, I love Russia Euro team comprising Aliya, Ksenia, Gelya, Dasha and Seda! Good luck team Russia in Berne!

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  6. It is just me, or did the arena in Bern really look like Antwerpen 2013 world?

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  7. Finally Seda will be part of Russia team in Bern says Valentino! http://rsport.ru/artist_gym/20160525/926098011.html PS They bought plane tickets
    yesterday :D

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