Skip to main content

Pongo’s predictions for Russia MAG in Rotterdam

Pongo is my AI assistant.  Read here his calculations of who might make the best Russian MAG team at the World Championships in October.  Please do feel free to disagree audibly, in the comments and note that Pongo admits, even he makes mistakes.  I don’t generally write such statistical material, so this may be a one off.

With apologies for any errors, mine entirely and I wrote the brief.  


Yes. I’ve treated this as a genuine team-construction problem, rather than simply taking the six gymnasts with the highest AA scores.

For the calculation I used the most recent strong competitive score available for each gymnast: the Spartakiad scores for Yakubov, Novikov and Kisel, and mainly European Championship team-final/final scores for Dukhno, Marinov, Zaika and Sieedin, supplemented by Russian Championship scores where a recent European score was not available. That matters because Dukhno and Marinov, for example, were substantially stronger in Zagreb than some earlier domestic scores suggest. Dukhno won European AA silver with 82.832, Marinov bronze with 81.899, Zaika scored 14.400 for European rings silver, and Usachev 14.399 for European vault silver.  

The mathematics produces a rather striking answer.

My optimised six

Arsenii Dukhno
Daniel Marinov
Savelii Sieedin
Mukhammadzhon Yakubov
Ilya Zaika
Aleksei Usachev — travelling reserve

So, from the three gymnasts you said are already in the squad, the calculation actually puts Usachev rather than Zaika into the reserve position.

The five competing would therefore be:

Dukhno – Marinov – Sieedin – Yakubov – Zaika

The projected 3-up/3-count team-final total is approximately 250.125.

That is extremely close to Russia’s actual 246.158 European silver-medal total, but this model deliberately mixes each gymnast’s most representative recent performance rather than pretending they all produced those scores on one day. Russia’s Zagreb team was Dukhno, Marinov, Sieedin, Zaika and Yakubov, which is interesting because the mathematics has effectively reconstructed almost exactly the team the coaches themselves used at Europeans.  

Optimised team-final line-up

Apparatus

1

2

3

Projected total

FX

Dukhno 14.466

Yakubov 14.033

Marinov 13.800

42.299

PH

Dukhno 13.966

Sieedin 13.966

Marinov 13.666

41.598

SR

Zaika 14.433

Marinov 12.866

Dukhno 12.833

40.132

VT

Marinov 14.466

Dukhno 14.300

Yakubov 14.233

42.999

PB

Dukhno 14.166

Yakubov 14.133

Marinov 14.066

42.365

HB

Sieedin 14.066

Dukhno 13.533

Marinov 13.133

40.732

TOTAL

250.125



There are several things I really like about this team.

Dukhno becomes the backbone. He is in all six team-final line-ups and is one of the three scores on every apparatus. That is completely justified by his recent form: European AA silver, 14.466 FX, 14.300 VT and 14.166 PB in the European team final.  

Marinov is almost equally important. He supplies five of the six projected counting scores and was already European AA bronze medallist. His vault in the European team final was an excellent 14.466, and his 5.9-D parallel-bars routine scored 14.066 there.  

Then you get three very distinct supporting roles.

Yakubov = FX/VT/PB power.

Sieedin = PH/HB insurance and specialist strength.

Zaika = the enormous rings score.

And that is precisely what good team construction ought to do: the specialists complement the all-arounders rather than duplicating them.

Qualification becomes very neat

Because Zaika effectively occupies the specialist position, the other four gymnasts are capable of doing all six events. That allows Russia to satisfy the 4-up/3-count qualification format without contortions.

I would use:

Apparatus

Four qualification routines

Likely dropped score

FX

Dukhno, Yakubov, Marinov, Sieedin

Sieedin

PH

Dukhno, Sieedin, Marinov, Yakubov

Yakubov

SR

Zaika, Marinov, Dukhno, Sieedin

Sieedin

VT

Marinov, Dukhno, Yakubov, Sieedin

Sieedin

PB

Dukhno, Yakubov, Marinov, Sieedin

Sieedin

HB

Sieedin, Dukhno, Marinov, Yakubov

Yakubov


That is a very sensible qualification team because Zaika only has to do rings. Everyone else takes the pressure of filling the remaining four positions.

And this is exactly where Usachev causes a mathematical problem.

His 14.399 European vault silver is excellent.   But if you put both Zaika and Usachev among the five competitors, you are carrying two gymnasts whose value is concentrated heavily in SR/VT. Then only three strong all-arounders remain to cover PH, PB and HB in a qualification format requiring four routines.

In other words, the problem isn’t whether Usachev is good enough. He clearly is.

It’s team geometry.

Zaika + Usachev together make the five harder to balance.


And here’s the fascinating bit: Novikov almost changes the answer

I also ran the same calculation replacing Yakubov with Daniil Novikov.

The five become:

Dukhno – Marinov – Sieedin – Novikov – Zaika

Projected team-final score:

250.091

Compare:

With Yakubov: 250.125
With Novikov: 250.091

Difference:

0.034

That’s effectively nothing in gymnastics.

But their contributions are completely different:


Yakubov team

Novikov team

FX

42.299

41.566

PH

41.598

41.698

SR

40.132

40.232

VT

42.999

42.832

PB

42.365

42.198

HB

40.732

41.565

TOTAL

250.125

250.091


Look at what Novikov is doing there: all six events.

That is immensely useful in a five-man team. It means that if somebody has a problem during warm-up, the coaches have options. With Yakubov the theoretical maximum is a fraction higher, but the team becomes somewhat more specialised.

The three people I would regard as indispensable

Dukhno — the team’s principal all-around scorer.

Marinov — another genuine AA gymnast plus major VT/PB potential.

Zaika — because Russia simply doesn’t have another comparable rings number in this particular combination. A 14.4-class rings score gives him a very clear mathematical purpose.

Then:

Sieedin earns his place principally through PH + HB. In a team containing Zaika, those are much more valuable specialties than another strong vault.

And Novikov becomes the glue holding everything together.

That gives quite a pleasing construction:

Dukhno — backbone
Marinov — AA + VT/PB
Novikov — reliable six-apparatus cover
Sieedin — PH/HB
Zaika — SR

And Usachev?

This is the uncomfortable part.

I wouldn’t be dropping him because he isn’t World-class. His European vault silver proves that he is.

The problem is duplication.

Russia already has extremely good vault scores from Marinov and Dukhno, with Novikov perfectly usable as the third score. Usachev improves that apparatus, but not enormously.

Zaika, by contrast, fills a real weakness on rings.

So mathematically:

Zaika adds something Russia lacks.
Usachev adds more of something Russia already has.

That makes Zaika more valuable to the team, even though Usachev may be the more versatile individual gymnast.

My six today

🥇 Dukhno
🥈
Marinov
🥉
Novikov
Sieedin
Zaika
Usachev — travelling reserve

First alternate if anything changes: Yakubov.

And I would keep Yakubov right on the bubble until the last possible selection date. If his training hit-rate is excellent, the 0.034-point difference means there is virtually no mathematical reason not to choose him instead of Novikov.

The really interesting conclusion is that the decision between Novikov and Yakubov isn’t about scoring potential at all. Their predicted team totals are essentially identical. It’s a selector’s judgement about risk.

On a World team final with 18 routines and no dropped scores, I would choose Novikov.


Comments

Popular posts from this blog

‘My daughter likes gymnastics. For us, this is the big success’. Aliya Mustafina talks to Match TV

Via VK.com.  Google translate A big interview with Aliya Mustafina was published on MATCH!. We provide a small excerpt below, and the full version is available on the website at the link below  ❓ Aliya, you are now the head coach of the junior artistic gymnastics team. What does your typical day look like? 💜 My current life is similar to what it was when I was competing. In the morning, I have breakfast and go to work by 9:00, we train for four hours, have lunch, rest and train for another three hours. During the training camp, the athletes live at the base. They live and train on the same territory. ❓ Do you manage the gymnasts' personal trainers or do you evenly distribute the responsibilities? 💜 We work in contact with the personal trainers, I listen to their opinions. For example, if the trainer believes that their athlete needs to be given a little rest or do fewer repetitions of a particular exercise, we do so. ❓ Describe the current generation of children. Do they nee...

Who really won the WAG All Around?

You will find a link to the FIG's newly published book of results at the Olympic Games here .  This year, they have broken down the judge's execution scores so you can see exactly how each judge evaluated the gymnasts' performances.  It makes for interesting reading - if only I had more time to analyse each judge's marking.  A skim reading already highlights multiple inconsistencies in individual judges' marks and makes you wonder why they bother with the jury at all. I have taken the time to look at the reference judges' scores for the top four in the women's all around.  The FIG explains here what their role is, and how they are selected.  I even used my calculator, which is a risky thing in my hands.  My, how I wish we could have seen a similar document for the Tokyo World Championships. I wonder if anyone can explain how, if the FIG's Code of Points is so objective and fair, it is possible to come up with two different results using two differ...

Denial of visas - some background

Can I remind everyone interested in Russian gymnastics that the restrictions imposed on Russia following its state-sponsored doping scandal were quite separate from the restrictions introduced following Russia’s invasion of Ukraine? The Russian doping scandal came to prominence in 2016, while WADA imposed further sanctions in 2019. Although these sanctions restricted Russia’s participation under its national flag, they did not impose a blanket ban on Russian gymnasts. Athletes who met the relevant eligibility requirements were still permitted to compete. Artistic gymnastics has historically recorded relatively few positive doping tests, and Russian gymnasts were not collectively excluded from international competition as a consequence of the doping scandal. Russian gymnasts therefore continued to compete at the Olympic Games and major international championships, including the Tokyo Olympics in 2021. The situation changed in February 2022, following Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukra...

RRG Archive - scroll by date, from 2024 to 2010

Show more